Hivechess season 8 final result: @sawko wins his 4th title

Dear Chess fans,

the fifth and final round of mini season 8 was played yesterday - an intense 5+2 arena tournament with 22 players and an average rating of 1945.

It was a close fight between @sawko and @eniolw but at the end @eniolw landed on the first spot.
Place 3 and 4 went to @jaki01 and @samostically, respectively. Congratulations!
Chapeau also to @emic and @schamangerbert for their best result in this season!

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The games of this round can be found here, in case you want to replay some of them. @samostically as usual thankfully streamed the tournament!

Season 8: 17 Sep to 15 Oct 2021 / Final Ranking:

RankHive nameLichess nameRatingRounds playedR1R2R3R4R5Total
Winner@sawkoCM sawkito244651010510944
2nd@tungphongblackswan21244259598637
3rd@jaki01jaki01238254946831
4 (+2)@eniolweniolw2433481001028
5@samosticallyZGM_Samostically223457733727
6 (-2)@pamboy27pamboy2722254677020
7@kintokrisjonbellionfan206153329017
8 (+1)@burnoutawesomeburnoutawesomehive213350482216
9 (+1)@stayoutoftherzstayoutoftherz200955115416
10 (-2)@kreurKreur2125368014
11@vjap55vjap552043406107
12(+17)@emicemichessmaster212730055
13 (-1)@rosmarlyrosmarly2059144
14 (+1)@schamangerbertHerbyW1757410034
15 (-2)@rafaelaquinoajedrezclub2t181730213
16 (-2)@pereu4ivatelpereu4uwatch2060420002
17 (-1)@rodrookrodrook14565000000
18@lighteyelighteye17785000000
19@maciejficekXM900015685000000
20@sammy00migmag1508100
21@zacherybinxsirtetris2019100
22@manncptToful1245100
23@vasigovasigo10015000000
24@agresteagreste170530000
25@ebingoebingo15022000
26@bOsDa_k1ng1114400000
27 (+1)@maverieux000Keylix211530000
28 (+2)@petreiuspetreius19972000

Blacknight186 and Mr_Mendel were not considered in the final ranking due to no Hive username.
Please note that the ranking of places 17 to 28 is basically in order of appearance and not by performance.

@sawko could win this S8 and regain the champion title back from @jaki01 due to his sensationally consistent top form (and a good internet connection as well!). They both now hold 4 season wins!
@tungphong (blackswan21), the current champion in the CBL by @chessbrotherspro, was runner up and @jaki01 ended up as third.
Despite one of the strongest players on Hive, @eniolw could gain "only" the fourth rank. It shows again that if you are not able to participate each time, your chances to gain a top spot are near zero.

Generally, many new strong players joined Hivechess, also thanks to the activities from @chessbrotherspro who do an outstanding job in promoting chess on Hive!!

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Season stats

The average tournament rating of this season 8 was 1942 (in S7 it was 1813 - a massive increase!). Remember the first tournaments in season 1 and 2? There we had often averages of below 1750! For fun, here you can see the very first one from 1,5 years ago!
In each round we had on average app. 21 players - also significantly higher compared to the previous seasons!
30 players participated in total (2 without a Hive name), 8 of which didn´t participate 3 times, so 18 players will get prices! From these, 11 showed up in all 5 rounds - that is a remarkable rate! As always, I will do the exact calculation of the prices after the payout of this post.

Thank you all for your participation & engagement (and the upvotes)!
And thanks to the other posters for advertising this tournement in your blog!

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There will be a break in the next week, but already on Friday 29th Oct S9 will start. It will go - nomen est omen over 9 rounds! There will be probably some finetuning on the point distribution and the rewards, let´s see. More about the different reward systems and their pros and cons you can find in this post from @lighteye.

Our previous Champions:

Winner of Season 7 was @jaki01
Winner of Season 6 was @sawko
Winner of Season 5 was @sawko
Winner of Season 4 was @sawko
Winner of Season 3 was @jaki01
Winner of Season 2 was @jaki01
Winner of Season 1 was @jaki01

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On another note:
How do you like my chess cat??

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Maybe it would be something worth pursuing, that the winner of a season gets in addition to the Hive prices an object like this as a TROPHY sent to his (or her) home! Of course not this one, as this was a gift, is unique (at least to me) and priceless 😄.

But what you think about the idea? Or maybe a special unique NFT could be minted on nftshowroom for the winner?



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that was fun!

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These Arena-berserk tournaments are completely destroying my chess style, but yes, they are fun. :)

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By the way, congrats to being a Hive-Orca again!

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Lol, I really still hate HIVE but cannot leave completely as I like part of the community. :-)

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Hate is kind of strong, isn't it? Come on, Hive is cool! :)

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HIVE is not a person, so I cannot really 'hate' it. :)

Concerning the underlying technology it's actually rather amazing.

However, it is not dencentralized at all: there are like (roughly) 20 accounts who completely control the network and loyally support each other, vote each other as 'top' witnesses, decide, which proposals are approved, borrow each other their posting keys (for example to mask whom they support or flag), delegate HP to each other and anonymous accounts which they created themselves.
Furthermore most of them earned their wealth on STEEM by either being early miners in 2016 or bid bot owners who got paid (and very rich) for upvoting non quality posts, which is in my opinion one of the main reasons why STEEM failed to be successful.
Some of the biggest bidbot abusers, curation reward snipers and profit maximizers are pretending now to protect HIVE against spam and low quality content ...

The facts above make it nearly impossible for other users to break into this exclusive oligarchs club and have any influence.
Some of them even attacked Splinterlands, the only really successful dapp on HIVE, because it was created by a newcomer not belonging to the 'club' - it seems they had the fear to lose their power monopoly.

Of course users can earn money here (especially if they praise HIVE) as long as they don't get in conflict with the reigning class of HIVE.

Well, it's fine if you think HIVE was "cool". I have nothing against different opinions.

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Oooo this confuses me a little bit hive is it good or bad ? I am new here and it seems to me a pretty friendly social network although as I understand it is much more than that I keep learning new things the truth is that there is a lot of knowledge to assimilate I believe that there is no perfect technology always the human factor is present.

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As you are new here, for now I suggest you to just enjoy your HIVE experience without worrying too much about HIVE politics.

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Wow, you are a critical person. That's a good thing.

On the topic, if true, it doesn't sound new to me, it sounds like typical politics to me. Even having a senate as a political institution is no guarantee that citizens are "represented", as if they have a real voice. Opting for "participatory democracy", which is the alternative, usually leads to other kinds of vices. Nor does it work well in the long run (look at my country, for example). Besides, people will accuse you of populism and communism if you try it.

Personally, after reading Arrow's paper about how the democratic voting system is mathematically flawed to consequently express people's preferences when you have more than two choices/candidates, I too lost my expectations about the power of democracy (LOL), but as a society we need political institutions to operate, don't we? (unless you argue from anarchism). Democracy is also preferable to dictatorship.

This also reminds me of the question of free will from the point of view of physics and philosophy. Our universe is deterministic, so why do we bother arguing about free will? Aren't our decisions already intrinsically determined? Well, we also need to pretend that free will exists for practical purposes. If you rob someone, you can't blame the laws of physics. You have to pay for it somehow. Maybe in jail where you can graduate to a criminal degree (irony intended) or maybe by working for the victim's family, as dictated by some sort of "primitive" legislation of some aboriginal peoples I heard about, which in my opinion is superior to Napoleonic Roman law in that regard.

Maybe I should have written all this in a post.

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Lol, double post and not deletable because anybody voted on it automatically ...

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Concerning democracy I think it only wins if people are educated enough and interested in politics, otherwise one cannot expect them to make wise selections/decisions, and in these cases I wouldn't talk of swarm intelligence but "swarm stupidity". :)

As dictatorship also can't be a solution (even in case of intelligent dictators like in China) I have another idea:

  • No political parties, no polititcians, only projects that can be voted for or against (on an immutable blockchain).
  • To fight "swarm stupidity", vote weigths would depend on the individual (proven) knowledge concerning the different topics. I would have for example a higher vote weight when voting in topics where I have some expertise than in case voting on things about whom I don't know anything. I also would have a higher vote weight when it would be about local things near my place.
  • Blockchain & Smart contracts would make that possible.

Concerning HIVE it's not a democracy anyway, but an oligarchy with oligarchs supporting each other. Not expertise decides but money. I don't say other places on earth or in the internet would be better in average, but that doesn't change my point of view to only spend energy in a social network which I like and whose political structures hopefully work much better than the ones of an average place on this planet.
The problem was the beginning with early mining and later bid bots.
Look for example at Splinterlands where power is distributed much more evenly than in HIVE ...

I hope we will see better blockchain based social networks than HIVE in futre, maybe on the Cardano blockchain ... but only time will tell.

Our universe is deterministic ...

I doubt that a quantum physicist would stringently agree with this statement ... imagine alone the discussion about 'deterministic probabilities'.

Concerning a "free will", apart from your interesting thoughts, what would that actually/exactly be at all? Would be a "will" created by biochemical interaction of molecules less 'free' (less me?) than a will resulting of an immaterial 'soul' a 'spirit' or whatever else?
Some say "Some of our decisions can be forseen by examining/analysing your brain before you yourself know about them." I answer "Well but these unconscious processes before I consciously met any decision are also part of me, I am these biochemical processes leading to my decisions. :)

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What an interesting discussion here!
I actually think too that our free will is an illusion and a social concept so that communities can work better together (like religion is also such a concept). It comes down to the question "What is you?" If only the part of you that has this remnant free will due to the Brown´s molecular movement (or some subatomic stochastic processes) is the one to "choose" then it might be a free will technically, but not in common sense.
Another explanation is the matrix theory which I find quite interesting. Is it so unlikely that in a far future whole planets or moons could be turned into gigantic computers who run such simulations? Is it not plausible that our ancestors would do such research in lack of physical objects? It could be routine research in a subject called "virtual archeology". Maybe in parallel to our simulation another one is running where e.g. Hitler has won the WW2 or where the exploding powder or the lightbulb were never invented?

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I've also heard of the idea of the universe as a huge computer simulation. For me, as a professor of computer science, it's easy to entertain it, but for now I place it more in the realm of speculation. Others are more critical and label it as pseudoscience.

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Of course speculation, but it is difficult (if not possible) to disprove :)
Pseudoscience is possible to be proven wrong, is it?

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Yes, also when it is unfalsifiable, as when there are no circumstances in which it could be proved wrong.

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Pseudoscience is possible to be proven wrong, is it?

I actually disagree ...
In general science 'believes' in things because there is evidence that they are true/exist (because of experiments, observations, calculations etc.).
Science doesn't believe in things only because they are not refutable/nobody had enough time to refute them (I wrote something about this topic in my old posts about the "God gene").

It's nearly impossible to refute everything which anybody claims everywhere (it's far more easy to claim anything then to prove/refute it). :)

That doesn't mean I wouldn't like interesting speculations. I actually also like to speculate and imagine bizarre things myself.

I think your idea is interesting but at the same time speculation (and not refutable). :)

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No political parties, no polititcians, only projects that can be voted for or against (on an immutable blockchain).

I can't stand politicians either, I'm always telling that to my family :D It's hard to imagine a society without political institutions, though, at least from the conventional view of politics. I have heard some alternative views coming out of anarchism as a doctrine of political philosophy. The idea of rejecting political institutions is often associated with left-wing thinking, where political power is typically seen as domination, as something bad. But there are also right-wing thinkers who see the state as an abuser, so-called liberalists, and so on. So you shouldn't be taken as a communist for proposing that idea. Nowadays those words (communism, neoliberalism) btw are more used by the common people to insult other people than to ponder their ideas, but I don't see them that way.

To fight "swarm stupidity", vote weigths would depend on the individual (proven) knowledge concerning the different topics.

Swarm stupidity is a serious issue. I often come across Bunge's lectures on political philosophy and so on and he talks about "political stupidity as a universal problem". People are often attracted to bad candidates. What you propose is called Epistocracy (government by knowledgeable). It is not technically the same as democracy as it is seen today because, as you say, not everyone has equal voting weight. Only those who demonstrate competence in the subject matter are allowed to vote. Some might argue that this violates democratic principles such as horizontality and equality of citizens to exercise their political rights, but ironically today there are many practical ways in which those principles are also violated in democracy. For example, in my country the dictatorship fabricated a voting system for the "Constituent" where some people could vote twice (while others could not) and where proportional representation was broken, since some municipalities could elect more deputies despite having less inhabitants than other municipalities. Similar things happen in very "democratic" countries like the USA where people do not elect their president, but an electoral college that votes for them. Ironically this was invented to combat "swarm stupidity" but it clearly violates the principle of proportional representation since some states have much more inhabitants than others.

Blockchain & Smart contracts would make that possible.

Yes. These new technologies may prove useful in improving things, although since this is not a technical problem alone, we have a lot of things to fix as well.

Concerning HIVE it's not a democracy anyway, but an oligarchy with oligarchs supporting each other.

I know Hive isn't a democracy, but as far as I know there is or was an internal voting system to elect witnesses isn't there? I think I still have the two witnesses I voted for a few years ago. It's the voting system reminiscent of the democratic voting system I'm talking about. But I don't buy it anymore because of what I said about Arrow's theorem. We are supposed to choose 20 witnesses, so that's more than 2 choices. In this scenario, the real wishes of the people will not be properly balanced and represented.

I hope we will see better blockchain based social networks than HIVE in futre, maybe on the Cardano blockchain ... but only time will tell.

Interesting. I didn't know of that blockchain.

I doubt that a quantum physicist would stringently agree with this statement ... imagine alone the discussion about 'deterministic probabilities'

The idea of deterministic probabilities exists. In short it has to do with the law of large numbers. Quantum Mechanics is certainly a source of pure random phenomena, but discussing whether or not it tributes to determinism depends on the many interpretations of Quantum Mechanics. In some interpretations the universe remains deterministic.

Some say "Some of our decisions can be forseen by examining/analysing your brain before you yourself know about them." I answer "Well but these unconscious processes before I consciously met any decision are also part of me, I am these biochemical processes leading to my decisions. :)

It's an interesting point of view, but I would reply that you as the conscious being are the dependent variable. Free will has to do with conscious decisions. So, the biochemical processes dominate over you, not the other way around :) It is the Copenhagen interpretation that has given rise to these disturbing ideas about consciousness collapsing the wave function, determining states and affecting physical processes. Most physicists prefer to avoid this idea that consciousness determines things.

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These new technologies may prove useful in improving things, although since this is not a technical problem alone, we have a lot of things to fix as well.

I mention them because they would make my idea possible to let everybody vote over the internet, using his smart phone without the fear of manipulation (due to transparent block explorers etc.). They also would make it possible to determine via smart contracts the vote weight of every single person in the world depending on the respective election topic (even proofs of identity & university degrees etc. could be saved on the blockchain like Cardano is trying in Ehtiopia).

I know Hive isn't a democracy, but as far as I know there is or was an internal voting system to elect witnesses isn't there?

Sure, but as the biggest few accounts have much more voting power than everybody else and also vote for each other (plus are doing several things about which I wrote for example in my first comment), they completely control the platform.
Furthermore, most of them are not even investors but simply early miners and former bid bot owners.

Interesting. I didn't know of that blockchain.

Well, ADA, the token running on it, is the fifth biggest crypto currency.
I suggest you to read this interview about social media.

In some interpretations the universe remains deterministic.

I think that would be a completely whole complex topic to try to decide and find some consent about if or if not or to which degree the universe was deterministic ...

So, the biochemical processes dominate over you ...

They are me ... so you say I dominate over myself? :)
Conscious is kind of a second instance of evaluating things, but in my opinion (which I stick with as long as proven wrong) it is (seems to be?) a product of nothing else than biochemistry (which doesn't make it less fascinting).

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I mention them because they would make my idea possible to let everybody vote over the internet, using his smart phone without the fear of manipulation (due to transparent block explorers etc.).

Sounds good. It could well represent the beginning of another technological revolution :)

Well, ADA, the token running on it, is the fifth biggest crypto currency. I suggest you to read this interview about social media.

Interesting. I've to learn a lot more about the crypto world. Thanks for the recommendation.

I think that would be a completely whole complex topic to try to decide and find some consent about if or if not or to which degree the universe was deterministic ...

The truth is determinism and randomness are part of models which have proven to work well. So, for philosophers of science and scientists to argue for both is not a problem. It's also true that hardcore scientists don't care about free will and don't put it in anywhere in their theories. I say hardcore scientists because I've learned that in other fields of science (I guess it also depends on some epistemology considerations), especially in social science, they're more open to resort to theistic or supernatural explanations.

They are me ... so say I dominate over myself? :)

This is getting tricky as you are mixing the issue of identity with that of free will, it's very broad. I think you are trying to argue for free will from a physicalistic and materialistic point of view, where we intermingle our own identity with particles, matter, etc. since we assume that what really exists is matter and physical phenomena.

But the funny thing is that to accept the fact that physical processes dominate over our decisions is certainly to deny the existence of free will as it was originally seen, i.e., as an independent capacity of ours. I have learned that some philosophers have even redefined free will after learning about or accepting the factual influence of determinism and randomness in nature. They now think that free will is the ability to make decisions despite not being aware of their existence or something like that. Ok, there will always be different ways to redefine some things, but in the process, that concept stopped being what it originally meant and sometimes it's better to leave it than to fabricate ways to make it fit. It is unnecessary for basic science and for understanding the world. We can keep it as a social construct and argue for its existence only for practical purposes IMO.

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But the funny thing is that to accept the fact that physical processes dominate over our decisions is certainly to deny the existence of free will as it was originally seen, i.e., as an independent capacity of ours.

Independent of what?
Of physics and chemistry?
But asumed something like a 'soul' or a 'spirit' would exist independently of the rest of our bodies, then who knew that the decisions of this 'soul' or 'spirit' would be less deterministic than biochemical processes? :)

I personally don't know what a 'free will' should actually be?(!)

My will, my decisions are the product of the interaction of molecules, which (and the way they interact) again are a product of my genes an environmental influences. That altogether makes me, my body and personality.
(That's how I see things, and according to my current knowledge and the current state of science there is nothing else, like for example an independent soul etc.)

Independently from the (also among scientists) open(!) discussion if things (and the universe) are deterministic ... even if they weren't deterministic: would that make my will 'free'?

If free or not: for any reason I come to my decisions and conclusions, where one among them is that I don't like how HIVE works. :-)

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I am only making the case for free will as an illusion from a natural point of view. Since you said that you "make decisions" because of the mere biochemical processes that you are also part of, then I added that ontologically approaching free will (making decisions) from physicalism and materialism wouldn't quite work either, because it's actually contradictory.

So I found your statement about you "being those biochemical processes leading to your decisions" somewhat confusing, where in this context "you" is understood as the agent making those decisions, hence the agent with free will. So, on a very technical and fundamental level of nature, we are not making any decisions because everything is determined or random. But I see that by "making decisions" you didn't mean that you have free will, but it's a bit of a confusing argument, maybe because of the flexibility of the language in this context but also after bringing up and relating that with the ideas about physicalism and materialism too :D

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OK, I know I am somewhat hairsplitting now:

So I found your statement about you "being those biochemical processes leading to your decisions" somewhat confusing, where in this context "you" is understood as the agent making those decisions, hence the agent with free will.

I think that is/was your interpretation of my words (maybe because you are accustomed to see people argue in a certain way). :)
I don't see the "you" (my identity) as a separated thing from the "biochemical processes" which are leading to decisions. That's why I wrote they "are" me.
(By the way English not to be my mother tongue doesn't make a discussion like this one easier ...)

So, on a very technical and fundamental level of nature, we are not making any decisions because everything is determined or random.

So you wouldn't call decisions "decisons" as soon as they are a deterministic result (or the result of 'deterministic probabilities') of biochemical processes? ;-)

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I don't see the "you" (my identity) as a separated thing from the "biochemical processes" which are leading to decisions. That's why I wrote they "are" me.
Yes, that's called materialism.
So you wouldn't call decisions "decisons" as soon as they are a deterministic result (or the result of 'deterministic probabilities') of biochemical processes? ;-)

I would add something like "apparent" somewhere, for example, since in this context someone making decisions (regardless of whether they look at themselves materialistically) is the same as exercising free will. Maybe something like: "I am the product of these biochemical processes leading to apparent decisions" or something like that. Like I said, that's valid mostly in a very fundamental level of nature and I got what you mean :)

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same, but at least I have the opportunity to play with some really strong players.

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оч правиљная идеяvery correct idea
победителям - слава и призы, а дењги бедным или тем, у кого интересный проект или прикољней вариант их потратитьthe winners - fame and prizes, and money for the poor or those who have an interesting project or a cool option to spend it
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How do you like my chess cat??

The cat is really nice, but show us those chess pieces behind it, @stayoutoftherz :)

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I'm into that idea sure a, maybe NFT stuff xd and people surely would try to play better to get the new gift 🧧

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The league is really competitive. I think adding an nft to the prizes is a great idea

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Yeah, the one I missed was bc of the power cut and the other one affected me too bc I didn't get paired often. I think I've never won a single season all this time LOL. But I'm not sad, a fourth place isn't bad. Keep up the good job. Congrats to the winners and to everyone.

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Season 8 Over Already, This is great work sir @stayoutoftherz. And Yes! It's really obvious more people are playing chess on Hive this days.

How do you like my chess cat??

I really love it,It's worth keeping forever. And the idea of a special unique Nft is awesome. But all the same,this is growth and it makes me so happy.

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¡Enhorabuena!


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Wobderful idea ! It is a good Trophy !

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awww so cute I want that NFT pet

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You brought me to an idea. I anyway was thinking which motive to choose for the NFT. You think making a NFT out of this cat would be a good idea?

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Honestly cats are not my favorite pets they just want to eat and sleep actually I prefer dogs because they are more playful but you can choose the pet NFT you want hahahahahaha

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🤣🤣🤣🤣 It depends actually, some dogs sleep alot too. While the cat go about looking for a rat to disturb.

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