RE: Sports Talk Social: The Community's Future

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@cryptosimplify - please create an ARCHON proposal for this kind of governance change. The proposal you've created is to receive funds back from our token fund. We currently still use ARCHON's Governance system for making tribe governance decisions. You can read more about ARCHON's governance system here:

https://www.sportstalksocial.com/@sportstalksocial/proposals-and-petitions-are-active

I would recommend using a prompt something like this for your Governance proposal:

account = "sports-gov"

nodelist = NodeList()
nodelist.update_nodes()
nodes = nodelist.get_nodes(hive=True)
hive = Hive(node=nodes)


def transfer_token(to, amount, symbol, memo, account):
    he_wallet = Wallet(account, blockchain_instance=hive)
    transfer_tx = he_wallet.transfer(to, amount, symbol, memo)
    time.sleep(1)
    c = Comment(loaded_post, steem_instance=hive)
    c.reply(str(transfer_tx), "stake_tx", account)

transfer_token("sports-gov", 1, "SPORTS", "Please forward keys for this account to @userthatshouldreceive in an encrypted memo", account)

time.sleep(1)

transfer_token("sportsnft", 1, "SPORTS", "Please forward keys for this account to @userthatshouldreceive in an encrypted memo", account)

time.sleep(1)

transfer_token("patrickulrich", 1, "SPORTS", "Please unlock the domain sportstalksocial.com from your current registrar and forward verification code in encrpyted memo to @userthatshouldreceive", account)

time.sleep(1)

transfer_token("null", 1, "SPORTS", "sports burn", account)

!end

You'll want to note that above needs to be entered as it is as the start of the message. This is explained in more detail on the link I posted above + the the link it points to. Once you have those pieces in place then it would be a valid proposal. It's also much more defined and lays our clear requests from the users you're requesting information from.


As for a response to this proposal I would encourage the community to no vote on this funding proposal and, as written, any goverrnance proposal that may come of it.

I don't know why any stakeholders, beyond those chosen as having a voice, would vote to remove their voice in governace to give a very small group those authorities. However as I've stated if a governance proposal was approved then I would be willing to follow the community requests.

transfer all private keys of the @patrickulrich community accounts to the core team

This accomplishes what beyond changing the trust from the current "team" to a new "team" that doesn't have the key management experience of holding these accounts since the tribes formation.

transfer the @patrickulrich domain to the core team

This accomplishes what beyond changing the trusted site administrator from the current "team" to a new "team" that hasn't identified why such a change is needed. We've already offered to run any potential code forks for site enhancements if they were developed. If you are going to put this in be sure to define what domains you expect to receive.

analyze the current status of the SPORTS tokenomics

This is too broad to respond to but I'd encourage stakeholders to remember that changing tokenomics affects two parties, one positively and another negatively, be sure to have any potential tribe governance be clear on their requests.

analyze whether the cut rule on SPORTS rewards is cut in half if the post is created outside our front end

I can save you the time of analyzing anything, this isn't even possible on Hive Engine for tribes on the Hive Engine SMT.

burn all liquidity SPORTS that exist in community accounts (except @sport-gov due to active proposals)

We'd support the idea of utilizing the funds in @sports-gov more productively and look forward to building community support for a proposal to deal with those funds in a more thought out plan than presented above.

rebrand community logo and SPS token logo

We encourage anyone who has ideas for our community logos to post them to chain and seek proposals to be adopted by the community. Artists can also request funding for such designs through our token fund that you've posted this to. Are you saying that your opinion is better than that of the entire community voting on such a matter?

re-analyze/deploy advertising on our front end

We've been open to having this created for a long time. If you have PRs that can enable this functionality we encourage you to push them upstream to the Hive Engine repository so they can deploy them to the community. We would happily vote on any token fund requests to reimburse users for submitting such PRs.

I am happy to see users seeking changes but wish these were presented to advance the tribe versus put the tribe under some kind of control of a small group of users. I encourage anyone who thinks they can improve the tribe to seek doing so with proposals that allow anyone to vote and make their stake in the community heard.

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Please create an ARCHON proposal for this kind of governance change.

Thank you very much for clarifying how you would have to create a proposal for this type of changes, because the proposal system is so complicated since we have an option called Proposals in the front end, but after all it is only for funds and there is the ARCHON system which is too complex for many users as a script needs to be written and no information about this is fixed or displayed in our community.

At this moment, only you know how to work with this DAO and this style of governance.

As for a response to this proposal I would encourage the community to no vote on this funding proposal and, as written, any goverrnance proposal that may come of it.

It's amazing how we've heard nothing from the @sportstalksocial account for 8 months other than the curation reports made by @cryptoandcoffee, the automated responses to governance proposals and a post asking what SPORTS meant to the community.

But when you start talking about possible profound changes in the community, this account always appears and still tries to somehow influence how people should vote.

I don't know why any stakeholders, beyond those chosen as having a voice, would vote to remove their voice in governace to give a very small group those authorities. However as I've stated if a governance proposal was approved then I would be willing to follow the community requests.

But has this governance model brought us anywhere? Is the community stronger and better than ever? Have things been done to improve?
Well, it seems that the answer to all these questions is no, because we are from the communities with the least interactions even when we are in a year in which we had a World Cup and I think that demonstrates a lot how things are going around here.

But I could also be the one who is wrong and not seeing things as they are.

transfer all private keys of the @patrickulrich community accounts to the core team
transfer the @patrickulrich domain to the core team

Giving as a justification the fact that it is a new team taking care of these matters and trying to give as a negative point the fact that they do not have experience managing a community does not seem to me to be a very valid argument.
It's good that in successful companies new people occupy great positions to help these companies grow, but here it's preferable to stay as we are instead of going after people willing to implement things and try to change things.

This is too broad to respond to but I'd encourage stakeholders to remember that changing tokenomics affects two parties, one positively and another negatively, be sure to have any potential tribe governance be clear on their requests.

When I talk about analyzing the current tokenomics, it would be able to identify how we could solve the problem of having too large a supply, which means that there is always a selling pressure, which will never let the token grow and become an attractive token.
I would never change any more rules regarding tokenomics but for that it would be better to try to start a sports community from scratch where I wouldn't have this problem, because I would do things very differently.

I can save you the time of analyzing anything, this isn't even possible on Hive Engine for tribes on the Hive Engine SMT.

I love the sarcastic tone in the answer but if I remember correctly this was proposed in the past by the current owner. So how was he going to implement this if he now says it's not possible?

We encourage anyone who has ideas for our community logos to post them to chain and seek proposals to be adopted by the community. Artists can also request funding for such designs through our token fund that you've posted this to. Are you saying that your opinion is better than that of the entire community voting on such a matter?

My opinion is not better than anyone else's opinion but instead of waiting for proposals to fall from heaven to deal with some matters I would go after people who I know could help us and maybe even just for the pleasure of helping without having to spend a penny but of course I wouldn't force that person to have to write a script to create a proposal.

We've been open to having this created for a long time. If you have PRs that can enable this functionality we encourage you to push them upstream to the Hive Engine repository so they can deploy them to the community. We would happily vote on any token fund requests to reimburse users for submitting such PRs.

Since you say you already had several ideas, did you ever go looking for people with the necessary knowledge to implement these ideas?
Or do you think they will appear in a sports community from beyond?
If we want to make changes and there is no knowledge in the community, we need to think outside the box and set our feet on the path, as they say in Portugal.

I am happy to see users seeking changes but wish these were presented to advance the tribe versus put the tribe under some kind of control of a small group of users. I encourage anyone who thinks they can improve the tribe to seek doing so with proposals that allow anyone to vote and make their stake in the community heard.

You continue to bang on the DAO issue and I understand that you defend it to the end as otherwise your greatest achievement in the past two years would fall flat.

If there is a great opportunity to implement something that the community even agreed with the idea, but this has an associated cost and has to be answered in a very tight time frame, how do we not let this opportunity slip away? Making proposals at the DAO and waiting for people to vote? What if they are absent and when they vote we no longer have the same proposal in hand?

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You're welcome for the clarification. I'm not the only one that knows how to operate the ARCHON DAO but if you think you could build a more user friendly version then maybe you should make a proposal to move to the new one you create. If it's a better product then maybe SPORTS could use it instead.

start talking about possible profound changes in the community, this account always appears and still tries to somehow influence how people should vote

So when someone who has a whooping 25K stake in the community, despite their content being voted on by this curation account multiple times, tries to take over everything about our community we should stand back and not try to point out the lunacy of their proposal?

has this governance model brought us anywhere?

3 years of rewarding sports content

community stronger and better than ever

Yes

Have things been done to improve?

Yes

how was he going to implement this if he now says it's not possible?

Because it was possible at the time for the tribe on the old SCOT system. The Hive Engine SMT is what changed that doesn't allow for this operation.

did you ever go looking for people with the necessary knowledge to implement these ideas?

Yes we've had multiple devs work within this ecosystem that I've brought to the table by reaching out to them.

Or do you think they will appear in a sports community from beyond?

I'm the sarcastic one? Maybe you should consider learning more about a tribe before walking in as it's savior when you don't even know much about the underlying platform it seems.

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You're welcome for the clarification. I'm not the only one that knows how to operate the ARCHON DAO but if you think you could build a more user friendly version then maybe you should make a proposal to move to the new one you create. If it's a better product then maybe SPORTS could use it instead.

Why I shall to improve something that I don't like, and I don't use it?
I have better things to use my time.

So when someone who has a whooping 25K stake in the community, despite their content being voted on by this curation account multiple times, tries to take over everything about our community we should stand back and not try to point out the lunacy of their proposal?

Maybe you are not seeing, but I have 265k not 25k, but even if was 25k that is not the relevant part.
If you don't want to vote on my content ok I am not problem with that it is not your vote that will change my family life, and maybe I am the few users that write about sports without only looking about rewards.

I don't want to take over everything, I just want something to change to improve things, but I see this is not the right community to do it.
Other thing, other day when we talked you could tell me that you didn't want this kind of change, instead of saying that if the community accepts it, the transition will go smoothly.

3 years of rewarding sports content

That is the minimal use case for all the communities, and you know that is not true since only this year we started to a daily curation.

I'm the sarcastic one? Maybe you should consider learning more about a tribe before walking in as it's savior when you don't even know much about the underlying platform it seems.

Will you be the one to teach me? It's just that if you go, I don't think you'll learn much since this community, at least the last two years, hasn't moved forward much, and it must have one of the worst initial tokenomics that I know of in the crypto world and I've already been here some time.

It seems to me that it is better to end the conversation here as the level of conversation is already starting to drop, and I am very proud of who I am, and I will not let other people say that I do not know anything and I have to learn as well as come with sarcastic tones to call me a savior when I'm not a savior at all, but I'm the only donkey who still wastes time thinking about how some things could be changed.

I should do like 99% of this community that doesn't care about anything and just wants to be here farming tokens...

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Why I shall to improve something that I don't like, and I don't use it? I have better things to use my time.

Sure sounds like someone I want to take over the tribe...

I have 265k

I stand corrected. I didn't see the delegation.

tell me that you didn't want this kind of change, instead of saying that if the community accepts it, the transition will go smoothly

Did you ask me? I think I was clear with my answers and stand by them.

only this year we started to a daily curation

I might not have published that I was curating but it's been happening for three years now.

It seems to me that it is better to end the conversation here as the level of conversation is already starting to drop

Unfortunate but not surprised.

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I don't know why you are not surprised since I never disrespected you, but honestly I don't to know more since for you, I only want to take over the tribe.

I have already disabled the funds proposal and tomorrow I will do a new post saying I am out from trying to help since now I am the bad guy

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I will do a new post saying I am out from trying to help since now I am the bad guy

Disappointed you've taken that from today. Would have loved to see your skills utilized better.

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It's the true... currently I am seeing as the bad guy in this history.

Since I use Hive for fun I don't to be involved in this kind of situation so the best move it is taking a few steps back and leave the scene.

I will continue to produce my content as usual, but I will no longer make a single post with possible ideas on how to change things or with new ideas.

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Since I use Hive for fun I don't to be involved in this kind of situation so the best move it is taking a few steps back and leave the scene.

I can understand that feeling and don't blame you for the decision to get away from that. I don't think you've done anything wrong to be a bad guy though. I just don't agree with the concept of centralizing the tribe behind a team. I hope that after this settles we can get you back in the mix. I still think you have so much to offer all kinds of tribes and want you to be a part of this tribe in all sorts of ways.

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