Revamp sportstalksocial or build a better option from the ground up?
The sports community on hive had great potential when it was launched first. Sports is massive across the globe with hundreds of millions of fans involved in everything from soccer to extreme frisbee. Thousands of games followed by millions and a huge target audience.
Sports is big in every country. It crosses boundaries and race. Religion and language. Now find a way to monetize that interest and you are onto a winner. Over a billion people watched the world cup final.
Top sports sites in the world:
Yahoo sports - 125m unique monthly visitors.
ESPN - 80m UMV
Bleacherreport - 40M UMV
Even a small Irish site with under 10 employees and global rank of 43,000 is generating 2m-5m per year.
These are two of the top five sports sites in Ireland with a population of roughly 6M people and they are generating huge numbers.
Then you have sports talk.
Some people would like to take action.
The site and the tribe itself is a stalled work in progress. Nothing has changed or improved over the past two years and some people would like to get it moving again.
Cryptosimplify is trying to start that change and motivate the community to take action. You can read his post and some of the feedback at this link here,Sportstalksocials future. which is mostly about changing the admin team and putting control in the hands of a core team to move the tribe forward. My name is on the post just to offer opinions and help where I can.
My personal opinion.
Personally I don't think that the tribe is fixable from where it is right now. With that said I'll offer my help where I can.
What I would like to see happen is a team of people to build a new sports site from the ground up.
My response to the conversation went a little along these lines.
I think that a tribe should be a business rather than just a community. It takes a lot of time and effort to set up and maintain a tribe then add in a monetized layer through hive and it's more than just a group of people sharing posts.
Sports has the potential to be a massive tribe if it's done right. A proper website, communities, mobile app and a million users over time.
Built from the ground up and with proper sustainable tokenomics and a good business model that creates income and pays for itself.
If enough people want to try and improve what we have already then i'll help where i can and try to make the best of it but what i would love to see is a real team of people that sit down and draw up a new site that is done right from the get go.
The community on sportstalk would soon move over once they see a much better product with long term potential.
Either option would be a marathon that could end in failure but that is every single start up. It would need start up funds but could generate a revenue soon after development and launch. Some to the team for further development and the rest back to the token holders through dividends or burns.
My yes list.
- New community website.
- Based on short form content.
- Link to longer written posts on your profile.
- Built as a business based on ad revenue.
- Proper verified authors on front page.
- Easy log in and use.
- Mobile app for the masses.
- Mini games for users.
- New token distribution model.
This is all just theory and conversation starting but it is what I would like to see as a future project. If Leo hits $10 then I'll fund it myself but until then it is all in my head.
The no list.
- A DAO.
- Massive token inflation.
- Another hive.blog based front end.
- Actifit posts. (Maybe as short form content.)
Thoughts??
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I am happy this is being discussed and ideas are being raised as who knows where this cam lead over the coming months. I agree as a tribe Sports should be the biggest around by a long way and would like to see this happen at some point.
Sports should be taking the lead form LEO and building a full user experience on top of hive without users seeing the underbelly.
Clean, smooth, fun and growing.
I know that you're up for change anyway so it's good to have those conversations.
If anything is to happen it will be a long slow process.
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Definitely revamp !!
Yeah good point, rather than force change. Just make a new one without the hassle. I'd be up for that. At moment sports is as good as dead and nothing happening.
Just chip in a few grand each. We'll hire some student develops. Blackmail Khal for some source code and build a multi million site over the next few years.
Think the42.ie but with good authors, a monetized comments section and low censorship barrier.
We'll all be millionaires by 2025....
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I'd laugh if I didn't think that was highly possible.
It's very possible. That's where all big projects start. A few people with an idea, some money and the motivation to make it happen.
Helps by being in same country as well.
Doesn't hurt.
Bring in @ablaze as well.
Team meetings on the golf course every Monday.
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Well it looks like @cryptosimplify ran into a brick wall with asking about change in his post so it could be something we could look into.
It wasn't with a brick wall... It was more like the wall of China..
Unfortunately, I don't think anything will change since most people in the community don't even talk
I think this calls for a pint. Plot to take over the world.
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Starting to talk about it is a step towards renewal, by putting together more ideas you can do great things!
the sports community is important because sport fascinates many people and unites.
As far as I can always willing to offer my hand!
Change has to start somewhere and i think that most of the community are looking for some sort of change.
It still wont happen without people willing to step up and do the work but things like this can generate ideas.
Appreciate the offer of help. Spots is huge and should be thriving.
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I agree that the sports community is important and should be more thriving.
However, I confess that in recent days I have noticed a total slowdown, all communities have less content.
I don't understand why.
Thanks for mentioning my name, but my goal would be just to try to make a topic that attracts so many people and that people talk about everywhere grow and reach its potential, something that doesn't happen today.
As we said, I came to think about creating something new from scratch, but as we said, this has a lot of associated costs and I currently don't have such an amount available to be able to invest in a project like this, even if I think that in the future it easily has enormous potential.
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I was just steering people to the conversation to add their thoughts. The more people that get involved the better and your post was the start of that conversation.
I would think that the costs are manageable and could be recovered over time if a new site was put together the right way. It would take a team of people and the money but could be done.
That's a different conversation though.
For now it's just about seeing what people are thinking and if there is any way to recover the sportstalk tribe before even thinking about it properly.
People want a sports community. It has huge potential for growth and a good place for people to spend time.
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Unfortanelly my post dont reached too much People.
Maybe some People that have SPORTS dont What to know about the community.
Of course the costs are manageable if we have a vety good team everything it is possible.
I still to believe a sports community can be huge and have an insane potential.
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Sports is an area with huge potential. You did try to start some change in the community but i think that it's not possible to fix the issues that exist there and that the owners of the community do not have the appetite to make those changes themselves. That was my main reason for talking about a full scale build. The lesser of two evils.
I think that a new site with the right plan, management team and developers could be huge.
It would probably take a couple of years and a good bit of money to get to a decent level but as you said. Anything is possible. I just wonder if there is the right person to there to make it happen.
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I proposed changes to try to fix what we currently have only because to not leave the community behind even knowing that would be a huge challenge to try to get the community on track.
But now I know most community member don't care about the community.
Having a great site design with insane UX/UI with a right plan and a team to manage it, a web3 community can fly very high.
I think the most difficult part is to find a good frontend dev available to jump into the project.
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That would be a big stumbling block as I know nothing about web design or website development. They are also in huge demand at the moment.
I do know what I would like to build and how it would work in theory but there is a huge gap from theory to reality.
It would be more of a stand alone sports website built onto hive for web3 capabilities rather than another hive community. A lot like what LEO have done in terms of creating their own project and brand which is built onto hive but working as a stand alone project.
The goal would be to onboard large numbers onto the website itself rather than trying to teach them about hive. Instead it should just be another sports website with a crypto wallet attached to it as the only real difference from the web2 experience.
It would need to have lite hive accounts and proper analytics to rewards writers based on traffic rather than voting weight. Focus on engagement and fun rather than blogs.
The active community would find it's way over very fast and there is huge room for growth from the non hive public.
It would probably take multiple devs and a core management team to build the site as well as a strong source of funds.
Then you would need a team of volunteers to moderate each sub section and work on creating quality content.
It would obviously have to be built in stages rather than launching a completed product but that is where planning and management come into play.
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Your idea it is more a sports new site than a community.
The team will have fixed wirters and editors to pusblish and review the website content and the earnings will be from publicity taking in consideration the traffic for each news?
It is a different use of hive but n interesting idea.
I dont know if it will be easy to find writers that will be paid only by the publicity earnings.
The wallet integration it is only necessary to post the content since the upvote will not exist.
The news will have a comments section?
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Not quite. More 50/50. A community based sports site.
The big focus on the front page would be 50% micro content and 50% moderated long form content. The same for each section.
On the inside of the site each person would still have their own blog, profile and wallet residing on the hive blockchain.
All content could still be eligible for hive upvotes but whatever secondary token is linked to the site would be distributed based on traffic rather than POS. Encourage better content, sharing on other social media, driving up revenue for the whole eco-system. Community driven content and engagement would still be the main focus.
Something along these lines with moderators for each section of the site on a voluntary basis with the core team to review the best content and propagate the landing page for each sport. All content would be published to hive just like other communities. All comments to hive, all micro content to hive. The main difference to existing communities is that the stake wouldn't determine the featured posts and the sites token wouldn't be rewarded through voting. It would need a lot of though on the best system to achieve this but that is where theory meets reality.
How to make it work best and how to actually make it happen.
Then revenue would be split between the core team/operating costs and content creators adding value to the site itself.
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That is a very good idea.
If some day go forward and everyone agree I would love to be part of that.
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"Sports" isn't a community.
Supporters of teams - and to a lesser sense entire leagues - are communities.
Just gotta build a tokenised version of SB Nation on Hive.
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That's a fair point. It's very hard to capture such a broad audience on a topic like sports.
Much easier to target a specific section of sports as a community than just sports lovers.
I'm a big gaa and rugby fan but have no interest in hockey or tennis.
Unless the site was properly formatted to sub divide into communities in a way that worked.
Either that or keep it focused on one section and if that was successful launch mirrored sites over time.
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I feel actifit posts are unfair to hive economy, where they get like 30 USD worth of upvote where as many writers who write long form content get like what, 10 cent? Feels unfair to even get actifit posts that much support.
I don't mind the posts themselves but not a fan of them as full content.
A lot of people get autovotes so this can lead to big payouts for spammy actifit content.
If they came out like threads or like reverio content without showing on your main feed it would be grand.
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I haven't visited their front-end much but I think there have been some slow changes. They did change over to the outposts but I do agree that it is kind of lacking. There was probably a lot of room to promote their front-end during the World Cup but I don't think there were many incentives in regards to that.
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actually, there was a time Sports was leading the likes of LEO, NEOXIAN and the likes then
I've been there since day one as well and thought it had great potential at the very start.
The big difference for me is that since then Leo has added features and developed their site.
Sports has stalled and let that potential slip. It could have been built on over the past couple of years and created a good user experience and added revenue streams to support its growth. It never has.
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I certainly think that there is a lot more potential for organic traffic coming into the site.
I have my own small website dedicated to T20 cricket, it generates about half a million hits a year predominantly from a handful of pages that contain specific statistics and records.
One of the reasons I’ve never thought of moving that content over to Sportstalk or Hive in general is that it requires constant updating and that’s just not possible as things stand.
Having a front end that can bring in new sports fans and generate revenue would be a game changer
That's exactly it. A small site from one author is generating that kind of traffic and yet a much larger site with dozens of authors is generating almost nothing.
Good quality content that attracts web views rather than just generic blogs with no search value.
A new Sports site should have away of rewarding page views rather than stake weighted voting as a much better motivation for authors to create real content.
Do you have ads integrated with your site out of curiosity? Just wondering what kind of revenue can be generated by a smaller site such as yours that is built well and generating views.
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I use Google ads but I have to say I don’t generate a huge amount of revenue through them. The revenue is dependent on the content (sports content wouldn’t generate as much as say financial blogs) and the part of the world the views are generated from. Being a cricket focused site, a large part of my audience comes the subcontinent. You ideally want to be hitting Western Europe and North American markets.
However, I’ve found that affiliate links particularly to sports betting sites are a good way to generate income and more in keeping with the audiences you are likely to attract to a sports site. Essentially you take a % of the site’s profit for anyone who signs up via the ads on your site
Good to know. thanks for the info.
I wouldn't have much experience in this area and find the whole concept very interesting.
There is a lot to learn in terms of analytics, ad revenue and site optimization but it's an area that I would like to know more about.
Also handy to know if anything develops in the future. Multiple revenue streams are very important to grow out a business.
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Great move. I wish I had started my programming training. I still gotta do it.
I would gladly give my massive supports in things I can do if this gets the community's nod.
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At this rate we'll have to build it ourselves. I really wish I could program, to build some of these things that i can picture in my head.
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Looking forward for more details on this push.