Death Comes Darkly
Death Comes Darkly. No, not the detective novel, but in Pew fashion, through view of a Thermal Scope. I finally decided to upgrade to a thermal scope. I've wanted one for at least two, maybe three decades and finally decided it was time.
I didn't get the one I really wanted, which was a Proton FXG. That one was around $5-6K U.S. with all the accessories needed. Instead, I settled for one half that cost, with the only real downside the 384K resolution rather than 640K resolution. @galenkp you would want the higher resolution models for your common longer distances for sure.
The One I chose is the AGM Rattler TC35-384, it's considered a step above entry level, but nowhere near the best on the market.
Specs are:
Resolution = 384x288
Detector = 17 m
Detection Range = 1,750m (1,450 yards)
Waterproof rating = IP67
Magnification (zoom) = 1-8x digital
Battery Life = 4.5 hours
Color Palettes = White Hot, Black Hot, Red Hot, Fusion
Built in Camera and Video Recording
Wireless broadcast to phone/tablet app.
Picture in Picture zoom (PIP)
Purchasing a night scope is a personal choice. People have differing wants and needs that some are more suited to than others. Most would agree that thermal beat night vision scopes (that require separate infrared light source) hands down. I do know some people that like night vision for hunting because of the way the infrared light makes animals eyes glow. That certainly makes them stand out if they are looking at you, but makes it harder to spot them if they are not. Also night vision cannot be used in the day. While some have day/night combination mode, the day mode is just a video view. Thermals work day or in the darkest of night, without any additional light source required.
Here it is mounted as a standalone scope on my Bushmaster AR-15 .223 caliber platform, sitting atop a BogPod Tripod, a typical coyote hunting setup. The back section eyepiece comes off when using in conjunction with a normal glass scope and then uses same quick release mount, or slip-on scope mount directly to glass scope (with adapter).
My needs were rather simple, I wanted something for Coyotes and other vermin capable of accurate shots out to 200 yards or so. I wanted one that could be used as either a separate scope via a quick release mount, that could be used as a standalone monocular/scanner, or added as a clip-on to go in front of my variety of normal glass scopes and move around from my pellet rifles for shooting rats, rabbits, on up to larger rifles for coyotes, or even larger one for deer, bear, etc. We may get some chickens next year for our chicken house (in the picture above), and with that the racoons, fox, coyotes, etc. will be sure to visiting more.
Not to mention it's a great prepping tool, either to hunt nocturnal animals if we get a repeat lockdown/shutdown that turns worse, and we need to supplement what stores can't provide, or in the true SHTF prepper dream or invasion.
Don't worry, all photos were taken with the scope handheld, not mounted to a rifle or other firearm. No Betty's were harmed in the making of this post ;)
There are a variety of about 6 choices of different crosshair styles in the stand-alone scope mode. If using paired to a normal glass scope, those go away and you're using your normal crosshairs. This shot in the multi-color "Fusion" mode.
Thermals are an excellent addition for even daytime use, allowing one to more easily spot game typically camouflaged by their coloring, or even to use in tracking down wounded or dead game, as their blood trail and body will remain warm and visible for quite some time.
Depending on the game, you may even track footprints for a short time. While a man wearing thick socks and boots may not leave much trail, a barefoot person, or dog/coyote definitely will. Look here at these foot prints left by Betty, the bright pink ones are where she paused for 3-5 seconds, then the black splotches are her running up the stairs.
Many folks prefer a standard "white hot" view when hunting. It provides a lot of contrast and good motion detection. In the pic below, you can also see the picture in picture (PIP) display, which shows a zoomed in view of where ever the crosshairs are. It's quite a handy aiming aid when shooting at longer distances, a bit too close here. This shot only about 7 yards away.
I'll repeat. All photos were taken with the scope handheld, not mounted to a rifle or other firearm.
This shot from about 30 yards away. Really nice detail at this distance.
This one "Black Hot" mode from about 50 yards away while she trotting across the yard. Hard to hold steady and take the still pic button.
This is "Red Hot" mode. About 75 yards away, interesting depiction.
This one is about 125 yards away, in "black hot" mode. Note the pixelation and starting to lose detail. Note how useful the PIP mode can be at this distance to get/maintain an accurate placement. Also hard to get any real depth perception when using the thermal. Need to know your yardages.
This is "Fusion" mode at about 100 yards. Again note the usefulness of the PIP. I've watched lots of other folks using this in other videos and really liked it. Was on my "must have" feature list. It can be toggled on and off.
One of the other most useful features (and a must have) is the ability to connect via wireless to phone or tablet app for video stream. This is a shot of the picture sent to my cellphone (Samsung Fold4), which provides an outstanding way to view for scanning usage to prevent eye fatigue, or for others to see what you are seeing realtime in view.
Here is a sample of video mode in action. Recorded with the built-in scope cam.
The video is about 30 yards for the white hot and about 75 yards for the Fusion hot portion.
While the stated detection range is listed as 1,750m (1,913 yards), the identification range (being able to tell similar size animals like a coyote from a wild pig for example) is probably more like 275 meters (250-300) yards for this scope. Other like coyote from deer (or kangaroo) maybe out to 450 meters or 500 yards. Plenty good for my purposes, but the higher resolution scopes can go much farther (for a price!)
And finally, it came in a nice box, with a very nice padded storage/carrying case with shoulder strap.
Common Myths -
Can it see through walls and windows? False - Unlike the movies, these cannot see through walls and windows, that blocks the heat signature. Warm areas like electrical sockets are often warm and can be detected, but not generally people on the other side of a normal insulated walls or drywall.
Can it see footprints? Yes, True. But with limitations, they don't last long, only until they match the surface temperature.
Do they warn the enemy? False - Unlike Night vision, which broadcasts an infrared light in order to work and can easily be traced back to their source by the enemy with night vision (and more powerful lights needed to see very far). Thermal does not broadcast any light, it reads the heat signatures generated by other sources.
The only downside so far was having to purchase the standalone eyepiece and different size scope adapters as additional cost items. Would have been nice for them to bundle a few of them like some other vendors do.
Would I do it again? Yes. Although I would maybe hold out for that next model up at 640 resolution (just because).
Officially jealous. I can't comment as my other self just yet due to the fact I'm burning up with jealousy.
Ok, not really, I'm awesomely happy for you.
But nah, jealous AF.
But happy.
And jealous.
lol, still wishing I had held out for the higher res, but I just couldn't wait anymore.. I don't have that many more years in the field. Even this model is really cool. Just another reason for you to come visit :)
I don't much about photography but I can feel the excitement oozing out and the shots are amazing, feels so real like seeing a movie at the cinema.
Yay! 🤗
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What a very nice work and a cool graphic work, which I can have this and do more on this community
Well thank you, but certainly don't need this to do more in the community!
I've been pondering just such an item for a while now Kris, it's a money thing. The brand I want is different but it does the same thing. I'm pretty keen on it but have to be responsible you know?
450m would be fine for my purposes as identification issues are different. Cow from roo or deer for instance, but I'd want the better resolution as you say.
This is a nice piece of kit and I'm somewhat jealous, but really glad it's delivering for you.
Yes, it was similar here. I just could not justify the cost of the one I wanted, even in my own mind for my limited use of it. This one will do the job well enough for what I need in night time vermin control around the house, or emergency food getter. It is extremely fun to play with, and I can't wait to actually get it out in the field and test it in real conditions.
It makes sense to get what will do the job, and despite other things being available the job will get done. Marketers lead us to believe we're lesser as people if we don't have "the best" but thats not true at all. The job will get done and that's what matters.
Wow. This is really cool. Love those images. I would be thrilled to have one of those but it would be a hard sell to get that into the family budget. Maybe I can go the chicken coop protection route 🤔 although I have been more interested in getting chickens than my wife lol Nicely done post 👍
Save the Chickens! lol
I know the feeling, I just said the same thing in my post.
This is pretty phenomenal. I'm glad that no Betty's were harmed but I was amazed at the great thermal imaging. It seems like it's great for the resolution even though it's lower than the ideal one you wanted.
I'm keen to hear your feedback once you've used it because even at 125 yards away, it looks like you'll have more than enough detail to get a good killshot for the coyotes.
I love gear that has dual purpose. Yes, you'll be using it now for problem animal control, but if things get really bad, it doubles up as a really good survival protection aid.
Thanks I love the versatility of being able to use it in multiple ways on different rifles or a handheld scanner. It's also proving useful finding areas around the house with lower insulation or heat leaks, poorly insulated windows, etc. I'm more of a light prepper, not an end of the world type, but would certainly be worth 100x it's weight in gold should something similar to Ukraine happen. Very unlikely where I'm at, but still one of those things you think about in the back of your mind.
I didn't even think about using it for insulation, that's such a clever idea and light prepping is better than no prepping, but I think we always have the worst case scenario in the back of our minds.
Nice piece of gear man! Thermal optics are really cool but still hard to justify the expense for me.
Yes, it took me awhile to justify as well. Timing just lined up. I had a rifle needing a scope (or red dot) and would have spent at least half this amount on a glass scope for it anyway so it wasn't as big a leap. The quick release is very nice on it, and allows for it to be the primary scope on that weapon, yet easily pop off and use on another rifle or handheld scanning. Now that I've cried over the price a little, I'm beating myself up more for having waited so long.
Good glass for the gun!
crazy scope
we arent even allowed to hold a normal handgun (glock)
Wow, that would cause me to re-locate or even re-patriate. Our laws vary somewhat by state. When we moved across country, that was a key factor. At least three nearby states were taken off our list due to overly restrictive gun laws.
I wanted to leave this shithole country for quite some time now
I'm being kept held cuz I cannot get my most important documents
If I escape without documents they will just instantly put me into prison.
at the same time I get no help with my permanent pain and criminalization (do not allow me to work cuz of my permanent pain) and am close in front of homelessness again
we have wellfare state (germany) here but my mother steals the wellfare and the state supports her in that and ignores/ laughs at me